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 Once accepted, the solicitor has "standing." Thereafter, the solicitor can bring a grievance before the court, such as a loss of property, damage to property, a breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint/detention, denial of rights/privilege, or to stop an ongoing disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is typically brought before a judge in a single hearing, evidence is provided and a judgment is received. These details that need not be part of D&D's actual game play — they are included here only to make clear how events lead up to the hoped-for resolution.
-== Probility of Success ==
+== Probability of Success ==
 It stands to reason that before a solicitor would consider bringing a grievance, they would judge for themselves the matter on its merits. This judgment process is resolved through the following mechanic. The character rolls a d100 against the number of knowledge points they have. If the number is equal to or less than the character's knowledge, then the character's judgment in the matter is deemed to be trustworthy. The result does not determine IF the case is practical, only that the character knows if it is or isn't.

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-'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials (name, place of birth, declared allegiance to the throne) to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.
+'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials (name, place of birth, declared allegiance to the throne) to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[Ability Checks|charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.
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 Once accepted, the solicitor has standing. Thereafter, the solicitor may bring a "grievance" before the court, including loss of property, damage to property, breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint or detention, denial of rights or privilege, or the continuation of a disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is brought before a judge in a single hearing, where both parties are present, evidence is given and judgment is rendered.

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	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials (name, place of birth, declared allegiance to the throne) to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)\|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.		'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials (name, place of birth, declared allegiance to the throne) to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)\|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.
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	There remains '''a very small chance that the solicitor will be wrong''', even if their judgment at the outset was correct. If Icosa finds he's right to bring the case, and that the case will win, and that there is every chance to believe it will, there still remains a '''2% chance''' that the case will fail. For reasons that are just "reasons" and no better than that. Sometimes you get the bull and sometimes the bull gets you. Point in fact, this 2% chance also applies to the possibility of success despite a losing case, if the character wishes to play the odds.		There remains '''a very small chance that the solicitor will be wrong''', even if their judgment at the outset was correct. If Icosa finds he's right to bring the case, and that the case will win, and that there is every chance to believe it will, there still remains a '''2% chance''' that the case will fail. For reasons that are just "reasons" and no better than that. Sometimes you get the bull and sometimes the bull gets you. Point in fact, this 2% chance also applies to the possibility of success despite a losing case, if the character wishes to play the odds.

		+	== Cost ==
		+	Discusses how much a case costs to bring. Also discuss how time disallows the probability of more than one case per week, given time available for the judgment to be made in a slow-moving culture

		+	== Reputation ==
		+	A base total of how many people will approach the solicitor at the start of their career, and how this number is affected by wins/losses. Reputation also affects what cases will be offered the solicitor.

		+	== Solicitor Knowledge Increases ==
		+	Each win increases the character's solicitor knowledge by ½ pt. This cumulative gain has nothing whatsoever to do with solicitor's experience level.

−	[[Category: Sage Abilities]]	+	== Final Note ==
		+	This system so far does not take into account the ability of the opposing solicitor, which needs to be folded into this system. Nor does it discuss how bringing a case to intentionally lose it can affect the public's sentiment toward the case, a local lord or some other person of importance.
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 '''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials (name, place of birth, declared allegiance to the throne) to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.
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-Once accepted, the solicitor has standing. Thereafter, the solicitor may bring a grievance before the court, including loss of property, damage to property, breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint or detention, denial of rights or privilege, or the continuation of a disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is brought before a judge in a single hearing, where both parties are present, evidence is given and judgment is rendered.
+Once accepted, the solicitor has standing. Thereafter, the solicitor may bring a "grievance" before the court, including loss of property, damage to property, breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint or detention, denial of rights or privilege, or the continuation of a disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is brought before a judge in a single hearing, where both parties are present, evidence is given and judgment is rendered.
 Once accepted, the solicitor has "standing." Thereafter, the solicitor can bring a grievance before the court, such as a loss of property, damage to property, a breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint/detention, denial of rights/privilege, or to stop an ongoing disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is typically brought before a judge in a single hearing, evidence is provided and a judgment is received. These details that need not be part of D&D's actual game play — they are included here only to make clear how events lead up to the hoped-for resolution.
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−	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)\|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.	+	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials (name, place of birth, declared allegiance to the throne) to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)\|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.
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		+	Once accepted, the solicitor has standing. Thereafter, the solicitor may bring a grievance before the court, including loss of property, damage to property, breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint or detention, denial of rights or privilege, or the continuation of a disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is brought before a judge in a single hearing, where both parties are present, evidence is given and judgment is rendered.

		+	Once accepted, the solicitor has "standing." Thereafter, the solicitor can bring a grievance before the court, such as a loss of property, damage to property, a breach of agreement, injury to a person, wrongful restraint/detention, denial of rights/privilege, or to stop an ongoing disturbance or nuisance. Once the grievance is filed, the matter is typically brought before a judge in a single hearing, evidence is provided and a judgment is received. These details that need not be part of D&D's actual game play — they are included here only to make clear how events lead up to the hoped-for resolution.


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−	which permits the character to have knowledge regarding matters of property and the redress of individuals against damage done by the state. However, unless the solicitor is licensed, such knowledge can be applied only to personal wrongs the solicitor has experienced.
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−	A solicitor cannot legally open an office and argue disputes of civil law before a lower court judge unless the character is able to pursue this position through the political skill of becoming a [[Functionary (sage ability)\|functionary]]. Once that has been accomplished, however, a solicitor is entitled to 10% of any financial redress that a court makes to an individual.
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−	A solicitor's chance of winning a case in court depends upon the solicitor's experience at winning large cases. Initially, a solicitor begins with a % chance of winning a case equal to their wisdom (a 16 wisdom would mean a 16% chance of winning a case in court). Since this is very low, most cases that new solicitors accept will be cases where the individual has few resources and does not expect to win.
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−	To determine the size of the case brought by others to the solicitor (in g.p.), roll a random number between 1 and the solicitor's chance of winning (with a 16 wisdom, this would be an amount between 1 and 16). The solicitor must pay 2 g.p. to bring the case to court; if the solicitor loses the case, this amount is lost. However, for each g.p. that the solicitor is paid (s.p. and c.p. count as fractions) for winning a case, both the % chance of winning and the randomly generated size of the case are increased by that amount.
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−	Thus, a solicitor with a 16 wisdom is approached by someone seeking redress in the amount of 11 g.p. The solicitor pays 2 g.p. to the court, miraculously rolls 04 on a d100 and wins the case. The solicitor receives [[Coin (monetary unit)\|1 g.p., 1 s.p. and 6 c.p]]. in fees (equaling 1.1 g.p.) and although the solicitor takes a loss overall, the solicitor's chance of winning the case goes up by 1.1%. For the next case, the number generated is randomly determined between 1 and 17 (or alternately by 1 to 272 s.p, even 1 to 3283 c.p. — which should be the player's choice).
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−	Each time the player's % chance of success improves past a round 10% mark (20%, 30%, 40%, etc.) then (optionally) treble court costs and double the maximum random total for redress. Simultaneously, for each increase, halve the increase to success chance from fees.
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−	~~Thus,~~
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−	* a solicitor with a 20% chance of success would pay 6 g.p. in court fees for cases that brought 2 to 40 g.p. in gross return (10% of that for the solicitor), with a 40 g.p. win increasing the solicitor's chance of winning a case by 2%.
−	* a solicitor with a 30% chance of success would pay 18 g.p. in court fees for cases that brought 4 to 80 g.p. in gross return, with an 80 g.p. win increasing the solicitor's chance of winning — again — by 2%.
−	* a solicitor with a 40% chance of success would pay 54 g.p. in court fees for cases that brought 8 to 160 g.p in gross return, with a maximum win still increasing future success no more than 2%.
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−	~~And so on. It is up to the character if they wish to increase the size of the cases they take; otherwise, fees and gross returns will remain at the level where the solicitor is comfortable.~~
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−	In turn, the solicitor's chance of success equals the likelihood of the solicitor getting a case per week they are not working. Solicitors are not required to accept cases. Cases will not be brought to solicitors who are working on a case already. Cases require 1 week of participation per 20 g.p. of gross return.

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−	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] which permits the character to have knowledge regarding matters of property and the redress of individuals against damage done by the state. However, unless the solicitor is licensed, such knowledge can be applied only to personal wrongs the solicitor has experienced.	+	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] that permits the character to enter and operate within the legal structure of a given province, by giving petition for standing. This requires the character presents their credentials to a clerk or magistrate, paying a filing fee of 100 g.p., then waiting 1-4 weeks to be entered in the rolls. Acceptance is determined by a [[charisma check]], which can be adjusted with a bonus of +4 in favour if the character, a member of the party or a follower has the ability to [[Bribery (sage ability)\|bribe]]. If accepted, the character's name is recorded and from that time forward, so long as they do not act untoward before the legal structure, they may undertake a career as a solicitor. If they are turned away, they may try again after a six month period, resubmitting their fee as before.
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		+	which permits the character to have knowledge regarding matters of property and the redress of individuals against damage done by the state. However, unless the solicitor is licensed, such knowledge can be applied only to personal wrongs the solicitor has experienced.

	A solicitor cannot legally open an office and argue disputes of civil law before a lower court judge unless the character is able to pursue this position through the political skill of becoming a [[Functionary (sage ability)\|functionary]]. Once that has been accomplished, however, a solicitor is entitled to 10% of any financial redress that a court makes to an individual.		A solicitor cannot legally open an office and argue disputes of civil law before a lower court judge unless the character is able to pursue this position through the political skill of becoming a [[Functionary (sage ability)\|functionary]]. Once that has been accomplished, however, a solicitor is entitled to 10% of any financial redress that a court makes to an individual.

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−	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] which permits the character to have knowledge regarding matters of property and the redress of individuals against damage done by the state. However, unless the solicitor is licensed, such knowledge can be applied only to personal wrongs the solicitor has experienced.	+	'''Solicitor''' is an [[Knowledge Points\|amateur]]-status [[Sage Ability\|sage ability]] in the [[Sage Study\|study]] of [[Law & Policy (sage study)\|Law & Policy]] which permits the character to have knowledge regarding matters of property and the redress of individuals against damage done by the state. However, unless the solicitor is licensed, such knowledge can be applied only to personal wrongs the solicitor has experienced.

	A solicitor cannot legally open an office and argue disputes of civil law before a lower court judge unless the character is able to pursue this position through the political skill of becoming a [[Functionary (sage ability)\|functionary]]. Once that has been accomplished, however, a solicitor is entitled to 10% of any financial redress that a court makes to an individual.		A solicitor cannot legally open an office and argue disputes of civil law before a lower court judge unless the character is able to pursue this position through the political skill of becoming a [[Functionary (sage ability)\|functionary]]. Once that has been accomplished, however, a solicitor is entitled to 10% of any financial redress that a court makes to an individual.

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	In turn, the solicitor's chance of success equals the likelihood of the solicitor getting a case per week they are not working. Solicitors are not required to accept cases. Cases will not be brought to solicitors who are working on a case already. Cases require 1 week of participation per 20 g.p. of gross return.		In turn, the solicitor's chance of success equals the likelihood of the solicitor getting a case per week they are not working. Solicitors are not required to accept cases. Cases will not be brought to solicitors who are working on a case already. Cases require 1 week of participation per 20 g.p. of gross return.
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 * a solicitor with a 30% chance of success would pay 18 g.p. in court fees for cases that brought 4 to 80 g.p. in gross return, with an 80 g.p. win increasing the solicitor's chance of winning — again — by 2%.
 * a solicitor with a 40% chance of success would pay 54 g.p. in court fees for cases that brought 8 to 160 g.p in gross return, with a maximum win still increasing future success no more than 2%.
 And so on. It is up to the character if they wish to increase the size of the cases they take; otherwise, fees and gross returns will remain at the level where the solicitor is comfortable.
 In turn, the solicitor's chance of success equals the likelihood of the solicitor getting a case per week they are not working. Solicitors are not required to accept cases. Cases will not be brought to solicitors who are working on a case already. Cases require 1 week of participation per 20 g.p. of gross return.