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Tao alexis: /* Notes on Materials */

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Notes on Materials

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Attack Forms

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Tao alexis: /* Notes on Attack Forms */

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Notes on Attack Forms

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 ! style="width: 100px|Item material !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Acid (substance)|Acid]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Crushing blow !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Disintegrate !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Electricity !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fall !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fireball !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Magical Fire|Fire (magical)]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Normal Fire|Fire (normal)]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Frost !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Lightning !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Normal blow
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-| bone or ivory || 11 || 16 || 10 || 20 || 6 || 12 || 4 || 3 || 2 || 8 || 1
+| bone or ivory || 11 || 10 || 16 || 20 || 6 || 12 || 4 || 3 || 2 || 8 || 1
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-| book or leather || 10 || 4 || 2 || 20 || 1 || 8 || 5 || 4 || 3 || 13 || 1
+| book or leather || 10 || 2 || 4 || 20 || 1 || 8 || 5 || 4 || 3 || 13 || 1
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-| [[Ceramic (material)|ceramic]] or pottery || 4 || 18 || 12 || 19 || 11 || 5 || 3 || 2 || 4 || 2 || 1
+| [[Ceramic (material)|ceramic]] or pottery || 4 || 12 || 18 || 19 || 11 || 5 || 3 || 2 || 4 || 2 || 1
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-| cloth  & [[Food|food]] || 12 || 6 || 3 || 20 || 2 || 15 || 14 || 13 || 1 || 18 || 1
+| cloth  & [[Food|food]] || 12 || 3 || 6 || 20 || 2 || 15 || 14 || 13 || 1 || 18 || 1
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-| crystal or vial || 6 || 19 || 14 || 20 || 13 || 5 || 4 || 3 || 7 || 15 || 5
+| crystal or vial || 6 || 14 || 19 || 20 || 13 || 5 || 4 || 3 || 7 || 15 || 5
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-| gem or pebble || 3 || 17 || 7 || 18 || 4 || 5 || 3 || 2 || 1 || 14 || 2
+| gem or pebble || 3 || 7 || 17 || 18 || 4 || 5 || 3 || 2 || 1 || 14 || 2
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-| glass || 5 || 20 || 15 || 20 || 14 || 6 || 5 || 4 || 6 || 17 || 1
+| glass || 5 || 15 || 20 || 20 || 14 || 6 || 5 || 4 || 6 || 17 || 1
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 | liquid || 15 || 1 || 1 || 20 || 1 || 15 || 14 || 13 || 12 || 18 || 15
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-| metal (hard) || 7 || 6 || 2 || 17 || 2 || 6 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 11 || 1
+| metal (hard) || 7 || 2 || 6 || 17 || 2 || 6 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 11 || 1
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-| metal (soft) || 13 || 14 || 9 || 19 || 4 || 13 || 6 || 5 || 1 || 16 || 1
+| metal (soft) || 13 || 9 || 14 || 19 || 4 || 13 || 6 || 5 || 1 || 16 || 1
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-| mirror || 12 || 20 || 15 || 20 || 13 || 9 || 6 || 5 || 6 || 18 || 1
+| mirror || 12 || 20 || 20 || 15 || 13 || 9 || 6 || 5 || 6 || 18 || 1
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-| paper or parchment || 16 || 11 || 6 || 20 || 1 || 8 || 18 || 17 || 2 || 20 || 1
+| paper or parchment || 16 || 6 || 11 || 20 || 1 || 8 || 18 || 17 || 2 || 20 || 1
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-| wood or rope (thin) || 9 || 13 || 6 || 20 || 2 || 12 || 10 || 9 || 1 || 10 || 1
+| wood or rope (thin) || 9 || 6 || 13 || 20 || 2 || 12 || 10 || 9 || 1 || 10 || 1
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-| wood or rope (thick) || 8 || 10 || 3 || 19 || 1 || 8 || 6 || 5 || 1 || 12 || 1
+| wood or rope (thick) || 8 || 3 || 10 || 19 || 1 || 8 || 6 || 5 || 1 || 12 || 1
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 '''Saving throws for items''' apply whenever a character's body is thrown, broken or subjected to various natural and magical attacks that affect the charcter's whole person.  In such instances, equipment can be damaged or incinerated, clothes can be made unwearable, substances can be rendered inert or useless and even [[Armour List|armour]] can be destroyed. Therefore, when a character is subjected to any of the attacks listed below, the objects worn and carried by the character must also make a saving throw or else be ruined.
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	'''Saving throws for items''' apply whenever a character's body is thrown, broken or subjected to various natural and magical attacks that affect the charcter's whole person. In such instances, equipment can be damaged or incinerated, clothes can be made unwearable, substances can be rendered inert or useless and even [[Armour List\|armour]] can be destroyed. Therefore, when a character is subjected to any of the attacks listed below, the objects worn and carried by the character must also make a saving throw or else be ruined.		'''Saving throws for items''' apply whenever a character's body is thrown, broken or subjected to various natural and magical attacks that affect the charcter's whole person. In such instances, equipment can be damaged or incinerated, clothes can be made unwearable, substances can be rendered inert or useless and even [[Armour List\|armour]] can be destroyed. Therefore, when a character is subjected to any of the attacks listed below, the objects worn and carried by the character must also make a saving throw or else be ruined.
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 == Notes on Materials ==
-* '''Bone or ivory''': includes carved or otherwise fragile examples; unworked bones or tusks should be treated as '''thin''' or '''thick wood'''.
+* '''Bone or ivory''': includes items carved or worked from skeletal material or tusk, such as figurines, knife handles, combs, flutes and decorative inlays. These items are generally brittle, with a susceptibility to heat and sudden shock. Items made from unshaped bone, such as femurs used as clubs or tusks lashed to poles, should instead save as '''wood or rope (thick)''' or '''thin''', depending on size. Ivory carvings tend to be more fragile than bone, particularly when finely detailed.
-* '''Book or leather''': includes armour made of leather or studded leather, tack, harnesses, straps, belts and most similar goods. The paper inside leather-bound books need save only if the leather fails; books without leather binding should be treated as '''paper'''.
+* '''Book or leather''': includes all types of leather goods, such as belts, gloves, pouches, boots, vests and leather or studded leather armour. Books bound in leather are protected by their covers; their pages need only save separately if the leather fails. Satchels, scroll tubes and scabbards are treated as leather, regardless of their contents. Books without leather binding — whether paper or parchment — should be treated entirely as '''paper or parchment'''.
-* '''Ceramic or pottery''': describes clay material goods of all sorts, with the exception of faience or majolica, which should be treated as crystal.  When thrown as [[Grenade-like Missiles|grenade missiles]], ceramic flasks must break before the contents will have the desired effects.  See '''liquids'''.
+* '''Ceramic or pottery''': refers to kilned clay vessels, amphorae, bowls, jugs, bricks, statuettes and other fired earthenware. These are prone to shattering from impact or sudden temperature changes. Fine ceramics, such as majolica, porcelain or faience, are more delicate and should be treated as '''crystal or vial'''. Ceramic containers that serve as [[grenade-like Missiles|grenade-like missiles]] (such as flasks of acid or oil) are expected to break on impact and need not save if they are used in this way; but when carried, they are vulnerable.
-* '''Cloth & food''': describes all natural fibres. Types of food that are sensitive to the attack form being saved against should save as '''cloth'''.
+* '''Cloth & food''': includes all woven or felted natural fibres, including linen, cotton, wool, burlap, and silk, as well as common items like tunics, hose, cloaks, tents, bags, tapestries and sacks. Ropes of wool or plant fibre also save as cloth if loosely twisted. Food, when affected by forces such as fire, frost or acid, should save as '''cloth''' unless it is carried in a secure container — and even then, it may spoil or melt due to the nature of the attack form.
-* '''Crystal or vial''': describes glass that is made with lead; includes crystal balls, vials, lenses, figurines and ornaments.
+* '''Crystal or vial''': includes any glass item manufactured with the addition of lead or other materials to increase clarity and resonance. Vials, decanters, magical lenses, crystal balls and cut glass ornaments are all examples. These items are slightly more durable than glass but prone to shattering under stress or extreme temperature shifts. Because they are often used to contain valuable or magical liquids, their failure often ruins the contents as well.
-* '''Gem or pebble''': describes any mineral stone smaller than a plum in size.  Larger stones are virtually immune to destruction, even disintegration.  For organic gems such as amber, mother-of-pearl and pearls, see '''metal (soft)'''.
+* '''Gem or pebble''': refers to any natural stone or mineral under the size of a plum, including semi-precious and precious stones, polished pebbles and carved beads. These items are typically resistant to fire, cold and force, but remain vulnerable to the spell ''disintegrate''. Stones larger than a plum — such as boulders or paving stones — are assumed to be unaffected by any attack form that allows a saving throw. Organic gemstones, like amber, coral or pearl, should instead save as '''metal (soft)''' due to their lower durability.
-* '''Glass''': includes glazed windows, lantern glass, bottles and other like objects made of ordinary glass. See '''crystal'''.
+* '''Glass''': includes everyday glass items such as bottles, lantern panes, window panes, drinking vessels and hourglasses. Compared to '''crystal''', glass is more fragile and more likely to break under minimal stress. Glass containers may contain valuable substances, but unlike crystal, they seldom preserve contents if they fail save. Glass mirrors are treated separately under '''mirror'''.
-* '''Liquid''': includes magical potions, oils, salves and pastes; vitriol, aqua fortis and regia, [[Distilling (sage ability)|distilled]] and [[Brewing (sage ability)|fermented beverages]], [[Viniculture (sage ability)|wine and vinegar]], [[Whale Oil (substance)|whale]] and [[Lamp Oil (substance)|lamp oil]], [[Perfume (substance)|perfume]] and [[Poison (substance)|poison]].  These must make saving throw regardless of the container's successful save, as a failure will indicate that the magic has been disrupted or that the liquid has gone rancid or become distasteful.  Oils will not explode from magical or normal fire, or lightning, as long as they are still contained.
+* '''Liquid''': applies to any carried liquid, regardless of its container. This includes magical potions, alchemical substances, perfumes, oils, poisons and ordinary fluids like [[Viniculture (sage ability)|wine and vinegar]], [[Brewing (sage ability)|beer]], ink, [[Whale Oil (substance)|whale]] or [[Lamp Oil|lamp oil]], [[Perfume (substance)|perfume]] and [[Poison (substance)|poison]]. Even if the bottle or vial containing the liquid survives, the liquid must still save, as magical or chemical properties may be disrupted. Potions lose potency, oils turn rancid or evaporate, and magical brews may destabilize or spoil. Liquids will not detonate if struck by lightning or engulfed in flame, but may become inert or useless.
-* '''Metal (hard)''': describes smithed and wrought metals used to make weapons, armour, tools, nails or other construction materials.  The thickness of the metal is immaterial, only the manner in which the weapon was forged.
+* '''Metal (hard)''': refers to weapons, tools, armour, fittings and reinforced parts of gear made from forged iron, steel, bronze or other hard alloys. These items are resistant to most attack forms, except corrosion or magical destruction. The thickness of the object is irrelevant; a dagger and a polearm save the same, provided they were forged using similar techniques. While hard to destroy, such items may still warp or become brittle under prolonged exposure to magical elements.
-* '''Metal (soft)''': describes shaped or cold-hammered metal, including jewelry that has not been hard-forged into shapes and angles before manufacture.  Organic minerals, such as amber, mother of pearl or pearls, save as '''metal (soft)'''.
+* '''Metal (soft)''': includes cast or shaped metals like tin, lead, gold, silver, copper and electrum, as well as jewellery and adornments made from these. Items not subjected to high heat or quenching during their creation — such as chains, rings, coinage and delicate fittings — save more poorly. Organic minerals like amber and mother-of-pearl, which are shaped in similar ways, fall under this category due to their fragility.
-* '''Mirror''': describes silvered glass.  Steel mirrors that do not include glass should be treated as '''metal (hard)'''.  Silver mirrors without glass should save as '''metal (soft)'''.
+* '''Mirror''': describes silvered glass mirrors, often housed in wooden or metal frames. These are especially vulnerable to magical or sudden force attacks, as both the silvering and glass can crack or flake. Mirrors without glass — such as polished steel — should save as '''metal (hard)'''; decorative or silver mirrors using foil or reflective paste should save as '''metal (soft)'''. Magical mirrors may receive additional bonuses.
-* '''Paper or parchment''': describes unprotected sheets of paper or thin, unbound pamphlets; includes magical scrolls, dried leaves, field stubble or dry crops and grass. Failure to save vs. fire or lightning will cause paper and the outer pages of unbound books to burst into flame.
+* '''Paper or parchment''': applies to unbound papers, scrolls, loose-leaf manuscripts and pamphlets — anything not encased in leather or stored in a container. These are among the most vulnerable materials, especially to flame or electricity, as they are liable to combust, smear, or disintegrate. Even surviving pages may be rendered unreadable or ruined if exposed to frost, wet or shock.
-* '''Wood or rope (thin)''': describes examples in which the principle diameter of the object is less than ¾ths of an inch, including [[Arrow (missile)|arrows]], ordinary [[Rope|rope]], bows, wooden weapons and handles, tools and so on.
+* '''Wood or [[Rope|rope]] (thin)''': includes arrows, hafts, rods, rope thinner than ¾-inch, staffs, tool handles, instrument frames, whips and slender poles. These objects are more prone to snapping or burning and are more frequently used in delicate or movable mechanisms, such as traps or kits. [[Arrow (missile)|Arrows]] are especially vulnerable and may splinter from physical shock or fire.
-* '''Wood or rope (thick)''': describes examples that cannot be considered '''thin''' as above, including wood and rope used for [[Construction (sage study)|construction]] and living purposes, doors, floor planks, furniture, [[Wagon|wagons]], [[Cart|carts]], heavy cable ropes and [[Wooden Armour|wooden armour]].
+* '''Wood or rope (thick)''': refers to beams, planks, furniture, wagons, chests, portcullises and structural timbers. Mooring lines, rigging and other large ropes also qualify, for [[Construction (sage study)|construction]] and living purposes, doors, floor planks, furniture, [[Wagon|wagons]], [[Cart|carts]], heavy cable ropes and [[Wooden Armour|wooden armour]]. These objects are durable but can still be damaged by magical flame, crushing force or disintegration. Saving throw reflects the object's integrity in whole or in part; for instance, a wagon losing one wheel may still be rendered useless.
-See Also,<br>
+See also,<br>
 [[Combat]]<br>
 [[Injury]]<br>
-[[Saving Throws]]<br>
+[[Saving Throws]]

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 * '''Electricity''': applies to all forms of ambient or creature-generated electrical discharge that are not defined as lightning. This includes attacks such as those from the [[Electric Eel|electric eel]] or magical effects like an electrical [[Glyph of Warding (spell)|glyph of warding]]. Attacks like [[Shocking Grasp (spell)|shocking grasp]] do not trigger item saves. Furthermore, if the target is not grounded when struck, item saving throws are not required.
+* '''Normal blow''': describes any strong physical blow that causes 22–32 damage (for greater blows, see ''crushing blow'', above). Roll a 50/50 chance to see if the character's weapon or shield must save first; if there is no shield, then it must be either the character's armour or weapon. If the weapon or shield fails, the armour must save afterwards. If the armour fails (or there was no armour), then everything on the character's upper body, both back and front, must make save (following the armour's fail, it is assumed the force has knocked the character down).
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-! style="width: 100px|Item material !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Acid (substance)|Acid]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Crushing blow !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Disintegrate !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Electricity !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fall !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fireball !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fire (magical) !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fire (normal) !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Frost !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Lightning !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Normal blow
+! style="width: 100px|Item material !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Acid (substance)|Acid]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Crushing blow !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Disintegrate !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Electricity !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fall !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Fireball !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Magical Fire|Fire (magical)]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|[[Normal Fire|Fire (normal)]] !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Frost !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Lightning !! style="writing-mode: vertical-lr; text-align: center;"|Normal blow
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 | bone or ivory || 11 || 16 || 10 || 20 || 6 || 12 || 4 || 3 || 2 || 8 || 1
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 | wood or rope (thick) || 8 || 10 || 3 || 19 || 1 || 8 || 6 || 5 || 1 || 12 || 1
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 == Attack Forms ==
 * '''[[Acid (substance)|Acid]]''': includes breath of the [[Dragonis Malignans (black dragon)|Dragonis Malignans]], [[Slug (giant)|giant slug]] spittle, [[Enzyme (substance)|enzyme]] from creatures such as the [[Ankheg|ankheg]], along with substances like [[Aqua Fortis (acid)|aqua fortis]], [[Aqua Regia (acid)|aqua regia]], [[Vitriol (acid)|vitriol]], and other [[Acid-based Attacks|acid attacks]].

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 '''Saving throws for items''' apply whenever a character's body is thrown, broken or subjected to various natural and magical attacks that affect the charcter's whole person.  In such instances, equipment can be damaged or incinerated, clothes can be made unwearable, substances can be rendered inert or useless and even [[Armour List|armour]] can be destroyed. Therefore, when a character is subjected to any of the attacks listed below, the objects worn and carried by the character must also make a saving throw or else be ruined.
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-Items affected include weapons, clothing, armour, magical objects, containers, stored goods, alchemical preparations and anything else not directly protected from the effects of the attack. These saving throws are rolled individually per item, unless the object is part of a set — such as a suit of armour — in which case a single throw may be rolled for the whole. Most items use the saving throw category associated with their principal material: leather, cloth, wood, glass, metal, stone and so on. Magical items enjoy a distinct saving throw value, superior to non-magical equivalents. Items that fail their saves may be sundered, melted, broken, soaked, frozen, rotted, burnt or otherwise rendered useless or partially damaged, depending on the nature of the effect and the judgment of the dungeon master.
+Items affected include weapons, clothing, armour, magical objects, containers, stored goods, alchemical preparations and anything else not directly protected from the effects of the attack. These saving throws are rolled individually per item, unless the object is part of a set — such as a suit of armour — in which case a single throw may be rolled for the whole. Most items use the saving throw category associated with their principal material: leather, cloth, wood, glass, metal, stone and so on. Items that fail their saves may be sundered, melted, broken, soaked, frozen, rotted, burnt or otherwise rendered useless or partially damaged, depending on the nature of the effect and the judgment of the dungeon master.
 In most cases, an item's destruction should be apparent — a flask shattered, a scroll burnt, a sword warped beyond use. The game does not require precise simulation of partial degradation or tracking of every buckle and hinge, but encourages common sense and rulings made with consistency. Where it improves drama or realism, a DM may allow a damaged item to be repaired or salvaged, at cost, delay or risk. However, objects like potions, spell components or fragile one-use items are typically lost outright if their saving throw fails.
 == Adjustments ==
+Items that are stored within a container or shielded by a protective outer layer do not need to roll saving throws unless the container or covering fails its own roll. For instance, a scroll inside a scrollcase will not need to save unless the scrollcase itself is destroyed. A [[Spellbook|spellbook]] inside a box or chest is similarly protected. Garments worn beneath another item — such as a doublet under armour, or a linen shirt beneath a [[Hauberk & Chausses|hauberk]] — are presumed spared if the outer article withstands the effect. Where multiple layers exist, only the outermost must save unless it fails, in which case the next layer is tested in turn.
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 Items that are protected by some outer covering or container need not make save if the covering or container survives.  For example, a scroll in a scrollcase, or a [[Spellbook|spellbook]] inside a box, are safe from save if the scrollcase or the box succeed in their rolls.  A character's doublet need not save if a layer or outer armour ''or'' the covering [[Hauberk & Chausses|hauberk]] survive.
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+== Attack Forms ==
 * '''[[Acid (substance)|Acid]]''': includes breath of the [[Dragonis Malignans (black dragon)|Dragonis Malignans]], [[Slug (giant)|giant slug]] spittle, [[Enzyme (substance)|enzyme]] ([[Ankheg|ankheg]] and other creatures), [[Aqua Fortis (acid)|aqua fortis]] and [[Aqua Regia (acid)|regia]], [[Vitriol (acid)|vitriol]] and [[Acid-based Attacks|acid attacks]].